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Postby SomersVet » Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:19 am

In my opinion-one thing will improve not only this country but how vets are treated: when EVERYONE serves.

I strongly feel women should be drafted and have to serve in every capacity including combat- just as males do now. I've gotten angry reactions from both men and women for stating that which I continue to feel are selfish. In Israel military service IS mandatory so questions and problems like the spouse and family not understanding the suffering of a vet with PTSD doesn't exist.

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Re: Opinion

Postby Mac » Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:59 am

What draft ? It's 2009 man , not 1969. What reaction are you trying to invoke here ? Think HR 2254 ,, its real.
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Re: Opinion

Postby SomersVet » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:28 am

I didn't mention a draft. Yeah its 2009, time for EVERYONE to serve so you made a good point!

What reaction am I seeking? None. I was expressing an opinion. See the subject line.

Marcie informed me that my rep co-sponsored 2254. I'm in contact with Mr Boccieri's office but I wasn't quite fast enough on that one.

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Re: Opinion

Postby Mac » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:46 am

SomersVet wrote:In my opinion-one thing will improve not only this country but how vets are treated: when EVERYONE serves.

I strongly feel women should be drafted and have to serve in every capacity including combat- just as males do now. I've gotten angry reactions from both men and women for stating that which I continue to feel are selfish. In Israel military service IS mandatory so questions and problems like the spouse and family not understanding the suffering of a vet with PTSD doesn't exist.

When will justice come? It will come when those who are NOT injured are as indignant as those who are. ancient greek philosopher



You said , women should be drafted just as males are now , the way I read it. This site is mostly about Blue Water Navy issues , not political commentary. But ,,, you can post what you want , and of course we can respond . Its a free country woman.
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Re: Opinion

Postby SomersVet » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:57 am

I see a problem at the core of HR2254, Mac. Do you think we'd be fighting this issue if EVERYONE was a vet? Do you think the V.A. would ignore 300 MILLION vets? I'm politically a liberal Democrat which is beside the point but I have friends who are upper class liberals who think serving is "someone elses choice." I don't like that attitude. I'm looking at the future- at those who are vets NOT having the problems we are having. Passing HR2254 is just step one.
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Re: Opinion

Postby Mac » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:00 am

Heres an opinion I have , when you paint sheetrock its better to open the can and paint the wall with a brush than to open the can let it set for a week then try ro rub the paint on the wall . Interesting aint it ?
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Re: Opinion

Postby SomersVet » Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:54 am

Your point is, Sir?
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Re: Opinion

Postby Mac » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:07 pm

I have no point , just opinions.
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Re: Opinion

Postby Mac » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:36 pm

Oh ,,,,,,,,,,,, I see , you think my post seems out of place here , hmmmmmmmmmm
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Re: Opinion

Postby SomersVet » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:09 pm

Nope. Wrong reply. I apologize because my brain was engaged with another matter and it took me 18 miles to get it.

Your post is fine but I do disagree with it if you're saying what I think you're saying. We have to think of more than just ourselves, Mac.
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Re: Opinion

Postby johnr » Mon Jul 27, 2009 4:19 pm

Oh, come on, now, kids,
I don't like where this is heading......Each take a deep breath and do something constructive, like email congresscritters not yet signed on the HR 2254

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Re: Opinion

Postby ExIntrepid » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:03 am

Ok, I'll take this seriously: the whole Idea of Universal Conscription lends itself just as much to abuse as the idea of universal anything. The only thing human beings universally HAVE to do is Die and pay taxes. And I'm pretty sure that a fairish number manage to avoid the latter.

Now, if you suggested that only veterans should have the franchise, now there I can heartily agree with you, personally. On consideration, though, while imiting the power to vote to those who have served SOUNDS good, but I wonder if those who are unwilling to do a hitch would, in the end, accept that limitation. I think it would always be a division in the population that would cause problems.

Then, of course, one would get into the problem people like vegetarians, or animal rights people, or maybe Quakers, who won't fight under any circumstances. Would I be willing to offer them the franchise if they did their service as FOBBITS in some messkit storage facility in their home town, when I earned my voters card getting shot at? I don't think so.

Last; what about the disabled who want to serve? What about criminals? What about the weasles who don't even want to be there? Would you want someone who didn't want to be there and whom you couldn't trust not to run covering your flank when the sh*t hits the fan? Not ME, Kemosabe...

Alternative service not involving risk of life demeans those who do so. And remember Germany's 'Brown Shirts' — One of the things Obama has suggested makes me remember the history of that group and contemplate how that could happen here. Which it could, trust me.

Notice I've said nothing about women serving in combat? That's because I have no question women can serve as well as men can. Note that I'm completely ignoring the 'women should be protected because they're more valuable' argument. That's because, as near as I can tell, we pretty much have enough women that we can afford the risk.

Bottom Line: Serving the country in the military is a personal decision, and I believe that universal conscription is just a state sponsored form of temporary (or not so ....) slavery. And slavery of any kind is an invitation to tyranny.

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Re: Opinion

Postby Marcella » Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:08 pm

Well Exie, I hate to tell you but this WOMAN isn't going to volunteer for service, be conscripted or anything else. I have to tend the fields, run barefoot all over the place and spend my time keeping the eels fed to keep this stupid puter on line so I can vent to the Congress critters. I spend plenty of time shooting possums, coons and other critters not needing to be on my land. WIthout us poor pitiful womenfolk, who would massage the egos of all them men????????? Just a damn Yankee camoflauged as a Southern Lady! :shock: :P

And in case you can't tell ---- I was making fun of Exie's woman's thing. I have always said I didn't want to do what a man can do, I don't want to step off that pedestal I have been put on all these years ( men grovel and worship please!)

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Re: Opinion

Postby STABAC » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:10 pm

Oh no; it's come down to groveling now???
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Re: Opinion

Postby ExIntrepid » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:54 am

STABAC wrote:Oh no; it's come down to groveling now???


Well, personally I prefer the term sniveling. So much less wear on the knees, don't'cha know.

Mrs ExIntrepid likes the pedestal for the extra height when she wants to be Eye-to-Eye.

But she loves me anyway—she bought me these keen rollerskates at a yardsale for my birthday; they're great for keeping my knuckles from dragging the ground...


(She hates that annoying scraping sound, and it tracks mud in the house...)

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