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by **johnr** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:35 pm

I actually believe this is "on topic" in a very basic way, but I'll keep it over on this forum so as not to distract.
Is anyone familiar with the Oath Keepers? http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/ ... -not-obey/
Is this concept something our Association stands for?
I'm very interested in your comments.

-Rossie

by **Daveironbear** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:47 am

Excellent JR,
Do you mind if I pass the link on??

by **johnr** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:11 am

johnr wrote:
Daveironbear wrote:Excellent JR,
Do you mind if I pass the link on??

I'd say that would be an excellent idea. I would like to see EVERYBODY get a look at this, including those who don't agree with it, just to let them know what they'd be up against. I will stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone who feels this way and abides by The Oath.

My reason for posting it is two-fold: To share the concept; and to hear from anyone who has experienced any negative aspect regarding this particular group. It is a lofty Ideal, and reminds me of myself when I joined the Navy. But Ideals are hard things to keep a focus on for many people. When the going gets tough, the hardest thing to remember is the Ideal that got you there in the first place.... the hardness of rocks and bullets consistently outweigh Ideals in any pragmatic sense. Which is why it takes an unusually deep conviction and commitment to buy into this concept. But it just might be the place I've been looking for as the foundations of our government starts crumbling. I need to investigate.

-JR

Mac · by **Mac** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:11 pm

Well I ain't bashful , here's my opinion JR ,

Like most ultra-right wing organizations there are certainly several points I totally agree with , several I don't. This is not 1775 , and this form of "conditioning " against some imagined opponent is a waste of energy .

Ken Hummel · by **Ken Hummel** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:43 pm

I am going to have to say that I agree with Mac. One thing about living in our Country is the fact that I feel pretty comfortable that I really can't see an all out attack on our Nation with troops. It would be total suicide for any enemy that would attempt to take over our lands...Americans won't stand for it, and many other country's know it, and thats why our people will never be disarmed. It's a Constitutional Right, our Heritage, and the laws were created to allow us to protect our own and selfs.

For the possibility of our Government taking over and to control our lives, this has been happening for ever anyway, we just see it in a larger scale these days due to the information highway we live in. For all the right reasons, the laws and rules we live by are for the good of all mankind, it just happens when there is dollars involved and someone can figure out a way to profit from it, these issues get a little "Blind Sighted" by the wrong folks.

If ever I had to make that choice again to take a stand to protect our shores, I would not hesitate again to do so, however, as a Vietnam Veteran involved in a time of a conflict that to this day I still have my thoughts and beliefs about what it really was all about, the reasons better be for the right ones.

Just my thought's.

ExIntrepid · by **ExIntrepid** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:26 am

Well, since you asked ...

Considering the breathtaking speed with which the Amateur Presidency has attempted to bring 'fundamental change' the way this country works; and the number of unabashed socialist/marxist/maoist Administration officials, etc. I'm personally quite happy to see this. There's a reason why the oath we all took was to the Constitution, and not to what one critic dubbed 'feckless, faithless politicians'.

Also considering the nasty; manipulative way the Amateur Presidency responds to critics, anything that puts the fear of the electorate into them is, I think, a good thing. The last election offered the worst group of candidates I can ever remember having to choose from. And true to form, the current electorate went half-stepping, which gave us the worst president since Jimmuh Carter. (who must be thrilled to see that title pass on before he buys the farm.)

Do I think the constitution is in trouble? Hell Yes!

Do I think the military will start doing roundups of us conservatives? No.

Do I think that the Amateur Presidency can bring down this country? Not a chance.

Anything that can be broken can also be fixed. The Amateur President will just make it clear what's gonna need fixin'.

Remember that wrench I talked about back when? I've still got it here, somewhere ... (patting my pockets...)

—ExIntrepid

Papaw · by **Papaw** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:13 am

Like EXIE said,, Well,, You asked! LOL

IMO,, what that site is professing and taking an Oath to do, Is to NOT fight amongst other Americans..

I go to different sites, than a lot of you.. I am paying attention, to what is going on.. DO I think a civil war is possible, yes,, Revolution? absolutely. but it will be us, against the government. Currently, we are all trying to do this peacefully,

We have the first amendment because of the second.. any attempt to take our guns, will be the start of it..

another thing,, that some of you may not be aware of, is this Global Climate change treaty, that Obama may sign (expected to) in December, at the Copenhagen Summit.. If/when he signs it, he will be ceding our sovereignty, our freedoms. This treaty, if ratified by the Senate, will take precedence over our own Contstitution, that we have taken an oath to defend.. watch this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40 If that doesnt piss you off, nothing will..

Im sorry, but Im a "birther", in a sense... but, I dont care where Obama was born,,, it doesnt matter, according to the Constitution.. it takes 2 US Citizens, to make one Natural Born Citizen.. His father was Kenyan and a british subject (citizen) The Constitution is clearly spelled out,, 2 US citizen parents, not one.. and his mother, wasnt old enough at the time of his birth, to confer citizenship to him. but irregardless of that last statement,, it still takes 2 US Citizens, to make one Natural Born CItizen of the United States.

JR, I think the Oath Keepers site, is dead on.. I disagree with some of it, but uphold the principles upon which it is based

Papaw

Papaw · by **Papaw** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:23 am

I suppose I should clarify a little,,

Im not advocating civil war or a revolution.. I am for "peaceful" change, against what is going on. I also belong to the tea party movements. I listen to blogtalk radio conservatives. I read the Constitution, the Founding Father documents, I am a 912'er.. I watch Glenn Beck (gasp) and I pay attention to what is happening

That oath we all took, was to defend the Constitution, from all enemies, Foreign, and Domestic..

and because of my beliefs, I am dubbed a Right-wing, extremist, domestic terrorist? I will defend my family, my home, my Country. oh yeah, Racist too.

Papaw

by **Daveironbear** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:39 am

You can bet your a$$ they will be coming for your guns and your gold. Never underestimate the power of lackeys "just following orders". I too took an oath to protect an defend the Constitution from all enemies, Foreign, and Domestic and that oath is sacred. For years we worried about foreign enemies and didn't bother with the Domestic enemies; it has come home to roost. Papaw they can call us what they want, but we know who the treasoners are and we know who is selling out our country. It ain't us.

pibob · by **pibob** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:35 pm

Here is a link to an article in the Las Vegas Review Journal about their annual get together.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/oath-keepers-s ... 31467.html

louie630 · by **louie630** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:24 pm

I am getting into this conversation a little late.
Yet, Here it goes.

I talk weekly if not daily with other Veterans. The Majority say the "OATH" they took and/or gave is still in force. And MEAN IT.

Like Papa, Unfortunately the appointed Head of "home land security" Chose to single out the MAJORITY OF MY VALUES to be the mostly personal values to be recruited against the United States of America.
(that she, the President and the majority of all white house appointees) DO NOT WANT AMERICA TO BE ANY MORE.

This administration is "Progressive", not the kind of progressive that we learned about in high school, not the progressive we were taught about 1800's America and the "industrial revolution."
President Obama identified him self as a "progressive," as did candidate now Sec. of State Clinton.

As for Oath Keepers, I am sure these are the organization's that D.O.S. Sec., Janet Napolitano was referring to and not THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND.

Just me, just saying.

Louie Navy type
tin-can-sailor

ExIntrepid · by **ExIntrepid** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:58 am

louie630 wrote:I am getting into this conversation a little late. Yet, Here it goes.

... This administration is "Progressive", not the kind of progressive that we learned about in high school, not the progressive we were taught about 1800's America and the "industrial revolution."
President Obama identified him self as a "progressive," as did candidate now Sec. of State Clinton.

As for Oath Keepers, I am sure these are the organization's that D.O.S. Sec., Janet Napolitano was referring to and not THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND.

Hey, Louie; long time no typing! Welcome back.

The current administration is not just 'progressive', they are 'TransNational Progressives'; i.e. they support the subordination of the constitution to the UN and the World Courts, among others.

Since I wrote the post above, the Amateur President has begun to acknowledge the fact that he's very likely to be a 1-termer. Further, the State's 10th amendment groups are gaining steam, not to mention the 'conservative' portion of the Republican party putting the screws to it's (you should excuse the expression) Northeast-Elitist-Moderate (cough—liberal—cough! wing.

Pore ol' Jimmuh Carter must be sooo happy that now he's gonna die as only the 2nd worst president EVER!

On the whole, I'm tolerably encouraged by the trend...

Remember, anything that can be screwed can be UN-screwed, if we're willing to take the flack. I think the Gen-Pop is digging out the screwdrivers anon...

—ExIntrepid

louie630 · by **louie630** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:22 pm

That is a warm welcome back.
Intrepid
Haven't really been any where, but did take a break.
Glad to hear your optimism.
peace,

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