Blue Water Navy

"just my opinion, and again, off topic discussion for our cause. Im done with this topic,, time to move on.. LOL" Quote from Papaw


AMEN BROTHER!!!!

Another link of interest:
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http://www.drchristinemcginn.com/[/url]

Read it closely- read about Dr McGinn.

Time to move on?

Theres plenty more where I get these links. I could new stuff all day.

I think you're missing the point Sharon. You seem to be very defensive about this subject and I've noticed more animosity in your replies than I have in the posts of those of us here. We are simply stating that this site was/is not created to fight the battle for or against sox change operations[misspelling on purpose or it will be censored]It would appear you have many contacts in the area of transgender and I believe you could post a new link every hour. Why don't you recruit all these friends to help us in writing all of their Representatives in support of 2254?! That might accomplish 2 things... 1) You may realize the resistance of those organizations to take on a cause that is not relative to their agenda 2) If they do accept that chore than it would increase the chances of 2254 being passed, if we don't get our basic rights and benefits granted in the first place you can change from man to woman and back till you are blue in the face and the VA won't really give a rats arse. Now, as Papaw said, I am finished with this subject. If I have information related to BWN in response to a future post of yours I will be more than happy to respond and assist you in anyway I can, however I am finished discussing the personal sox preferences you may have, whether it's in this forum or any other. Granted this forum is "OFF TOPIC" and you can, and did post an off topic subject, but I feel the replies you have received express the opinion that it is not a cause that we desire nor are qualified to undertake. My God (wo)man we have been fighting for BWN rights literally for years and are just now hopefully beginning to make head way, we can't solve all the problems of the entire country.

SomersVet wrote:Time to move on?

Theres plenty more where I get these links. I could new stuff all day.

The CORRECT terminology is GENDER preference. Nothing to do with sex.

My posting of information on this IS NOT affected by 2254. Why are my posts hostile sounding? Because I'm harassed by my fellow veterans nearly every visit to the V.A. It gets real old and I have PTSD as well so I feel a lot of anger. Same excuse many of you have.

Why don't I recruit all those friends? Does DADT ring a bell for you, gentlemen? Accept gay, lesbian and transgenders. Start screaming about gays being discharged and the gays will help YOU. Show your support for http://www.sldn.org/ and I can assure you someone will reciprocate. Contact the American Legion post in San Francisco and ASK POLITELY for help.

I am having difficulties in my personal life. I doubt I'll be around for a few days or a week so I'll close with a FACT I doubt most of you know; the first man who died in Iraq was gay.

Thanks for that info. , may be a question on Who Wants to be a Millionare , ya never know

This is the last thing I'll post on the matter since I've given, I believe a reasonable solution and reasons HR2254 must be a priority.

I think I understand your problems and I do not care about your gender preference, nor do I care if someone is gay. One of my best friends while in the service was gay and I did not "out" him. My girlfriend and I had come great times with the guy, dinners, BBQs, Zoo trips & etc. I still have several friends who are gay and they're great friends.

Now to the point.
The needs of a few do not outweigh the needs of the many.
Plain and simple there.
There are one hell of a lot more Blue Water Veterans affected by the DVA,s changing the rules in 2001 and taking away benefits they had prior to that change than there are veteran transgenders and gays being treated unfairly.
That Sharon, is a fight for another time and another place and, to be brutally honest, for the vast majority of us is not in the top ten issues that need to be addressed before we get on board your issue. It's up to you to give us everything you can to assist our cause and not come here with an expectation of us jumping right in to help your cause. Most of us are sicker than hell and have just enough time and energy to do what we do to get our primary issue resolved, let alone research sites for information on an issue that is, to us, low priority.
Personally I think it's a reasonable off topic discussion but don't get your panties in a bunch when we don't fall all over each other jumping on the band wagon at this time.

I agree totally about 2254. Where I disagree is that anything is about only one issue. I'm disabled too. PTSD, migraines, I live alone. Last night no sleep because of a friend having problems. I really should not be posting here at all the way I feel but I guarantee you and everyone here I am an activist and I've bitched loud and long to BVA plenty of times. As I said- Marcie informed me that my rep co-sponsored 2254. I called his office. I can't imagine he wouldn't- he's still in the reserves and serving in congress at the same time. When it comes to the senate I'll be there calling again.


off for now.

Ohio Democratic Party News Release
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 15, 2009
Contact: Seth Bringman
614-221-6563 ext. 145
Ohio Democratic Party Praises Passage of H.B. 176
Bill Prohibits Discrimination Based on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
COLUMBUS – Today, the Ohio Democratic Party praised the passage of H.B. 176, the Equal Housing and Employment Act, a bill to prohibit discrimination in housing and employment based on sexual orientation and gender identity. All House Democrats supported the bill. It is the first bill that was passed in the Statehouse when legislators returned to session today and the first bill in our state’s history that would expand rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Ohioans.
“With today’s historic vote, we are one step closer to ensuring that Ohioans will not be fired or kicked out of their homes just because of who they are or who they love,” said Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern. “The fact that all House Democrats supported H.B. 176 is a testament to our Party’s commitment to equality for all Ohioans. I congratulate Equality Ohio and their coalition partners, the Human Rights Campaign and Stonewall Democrats, as well as Representative Dan Stewart, House Leadership and all who worked so diligently to make passage of this bill possible. We urge Senate President Bill Harris to move it through committee and to a vote on the Senate floor.”
The LGBT Caucus of the Ohio Democratic Party joined LGBT groups in working to pass this bill. The Ohio Democratic Party is the only State Party in the country with a full-time staff member dedicated to outreach to the LGBT community.
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Equality Ohio News Release
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE | September 15, 2009
Anti-Discrimination Law Passes Ohio House of Representatives
History is made in Ohio
For Immediate Release: September 15, 2009
Contact: Lynne Bowman 614-563-5274
COLUMBUS, Ohio – Today, with a vote of 56 to 39, the Ohio House of Representatives passed House Bill 176, the Equal Housing and Employment Act. The House vote marks the first time in Ohio’s history that a vote on the floor of either chamber has occurred on legislation protecting people based on their sexual orientation or gender identity in Ohio.
“With the passage of the Equal Housing and Employment Act, today the members of the House sent a clear message,” said Lynne Bowman, Executive Director of Equality Ohio, the state’s advocacy organization for LGBT issues. “Discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity will not be tolerated in Ohio, regardless of where a person lives, works or plays.”
House Bill 176 was introduced in early May of 2009 with 27 co-sponsors, including primary sponsors Rep. Dan Stewart (D, Columbus) and Rep. Ross McGregor (R, Springfield) and passed out of the State Government committee in June on an 8/5 vote. It has the support of more than 150 faith groups, local governments, and community organizations across Ohio. The Ohio Chamber of Commerce, the NFIB and the Ohio Chapter of the Society for Human Resource Management have all taken a neutral position on the bill.
“I am pleased to stand with my 55 colleagues in the House who voted yes on HB176 today,” said Representative Stewart. “We worked together to craft a bill that protects more Ohioans and is good for business. The bipartisan support it has achieved to date should make one thing clear: equality in housing, employment and public accommodations is not a partisan issue in Ohio.”
Currently, 20 states and the District of Columbia, 11 of Ohio’s 13 public four-year universities, 17 Ohio cities, over 90% of Fortune 500 companies, the Ohio Senate and the Ohio House of Representatives all offer similar protections. Governor Strickland has indicated support for the legislation. The bill now heads to the Senate.
“Now that House Bill 176 has passed the House, we look forward to the opportunity for full hearings in the Senate,” said Representative McGregor. “The Senate has indicated that they are focusing on issues that will stimulate the economy in Ohio. We believe they will find that House Bill 176 does just that by telling business owners and the employees they are trying recruit, that Ohio is a place that welcomes everyone.”
“This success was made possible because of the conviction of legislators who believe this is the right thing to do and because of activists from across Ohio who work to make our state a place where everyone can feel at home. We are now one step closer because of each of them,” commented Bowman.